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May 19th, 2009

Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters

Posted by Richard Koman @ May 19, 2009 @ 11:40 AM

Categories: Government technology

Tags: Shield, Identity, Blogger, Blogging, Internet, Richard Koman

Illinois has a shield law that protects reporters from having to reveal their sources. But a state judge held that the law does not apply to “online bloggers” and ordered the Alton (IL) Telegraph to turn over the identities of two people who commented on the newspaper’s website, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.

Prosecutors have been seeking the identities of five people who posted comments on an article about the horrific beating death of five-year-old Ethan Allen. The paper resisted, asserting the press shield. Judge Richard Tognarelli said three of the comments were just discussion, irrelevant to the investigation but the identities of “purplebutterfly” and “mrssully” must be turned over because they posted information relevant to the investigation.

How you view this ruling probably turns on how you define “blogger.” Someone who posts a comment on a news article doesn’t qualify as a blogger in any normal sense of the term. The reporter’s shield should absolutely extend to bloggers defined as people who do journalism online. See, for instance, the 2006 California case of Apple v. Does, where the Court of Appeals found the California shield was intended to extend to all ongoing, recurring news publications.”

But a commenter on an article? I have a hard time seeing those people as news sources that need to be protected. Typically, there is no communication between source and reporter, no promise of confidentiality, no societal need to protect the identity of someone who posts relevant information in a public forum. The purpose of the press shield is to allow reporters to obtain information they wouldn’t be able to obtain without a promise of confidentiality.

One can quibble over the judge’s use of the term “blogger,” but he is correct, I think, (realizing I’m not looking at the actual language of the Illinois law) that anonymous commenters are not contemplated in most press shields.

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Re: Linux Geek
Good Lord, that didn't take long. I went back and re-read the original story, and nowhere did I find any mention whatsoever of Microsoft. Troll alert! Troll Alert!... (Read the rest)
Posted by: justanitguy Posted on: 06/17/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Another way to look at it  Michael Kelly | 05/19/09
so M$ can send the goons to arrest me?  Linux Geek | 05/19/09
Freedom of speech  rkoman@... | 05/19/09
I prefer...  fairportfan | 05/20/09
Plead the 5th?  Watersisland | 05/20/09
I was speaking of the commenters, not the newspaper (nt)  rkoman@... | 05/20/09
HUH?  DT2 | 05/20/09
What does Microsoft have to do with it?  theButterFly | 05/20/09
You mean, there...  arcebus@... | 05/20/09
What??  HexHammer67 | 05/21/09
What??  compudog | 05/21/09
Relevance, Linux Geek, Relevance  heres_johnny | 05/20/09
Absolutely, Comrade!  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
Obama is not THAT far along yet ...  lalogos | 05/20/09
No, I want their liberty protected  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
The question, then, is if the blogger DID come forther VOLUNTARILY  lalogos | 05/20/09
Right, let's punish them for doing the right thing  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
It wasn't a blogger, it was  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
But they didnt' come forward  rkoman@... | 05/20/09
Evidence collected from an anonymous ...  mwagner@... | 05/22/09
Agree  sboverie@... | 05/20/09
Just wait until...  fairportfan | 05/20/09
Fairness Doctrin  Watersisland | 05/20/09
Can the government force you to speak?  TonytheTiger | 05/22/09
Now it's storm troopers shutting us all up.  compudog | 05/21/09
No, it's just LALAGOS...  n00b-herder | 05/21/09
Hey johnny  athynz | 05/20/09
Actually, there IS a difference ...  mwagner@... | 05/22/09
Relevance  compudog | 05/21/09
Unless...  n00b-herder | 05/21/09
"Freedom of Speech" does not include yelling "fire" in a theater  lalogos | 05/20/09
Blame the Victim  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
You twisted the argument as it was unclear  lalogos | 05/20/09
But it's NOT!  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
You are selfish  davidhite | 05/20/09
Actually, no...  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Exactly what principle...  TonytheTiger | 05/22/09
Congratulations  compudog | 05/21/09
Blind selfishness?  n00b-herder | 05/21/09
You started out strong...  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
So many errors of fact  vilppuu@... | 05/22/09
Not sure where they mentioned  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Whose God?  compudog | 05/21/09
Utter nonsense ...  mwagner@... | 05/22/09
May i point out...  fairportfan | 05/20/09
Correct! Another good post!!!  n00b-herder | 05/21/09
Of course it does!  TonytheTiger | 05/22/09
re: so M$ can send the goons to arrest me?  M.R. Kennedy | 05/20/09
Whoa... Genius Hall of Fame!  compudog | 05/21/09
Re: Linux Geek  justanitguy | 06/17/09
Being an anonymous commenter frees you  BALTHOR | 05/19/09
"Opinion" vs. factual data  lalogos | 05/20/09
What a delightful contradiction  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
Moral responsibility is the key.  lalogos | 05/20/09
Murder is not illegal because it's immoral  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
Moral standards vs. socially acceptability  lalogos | 05/20/09
Wrong wrong wrong.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Bravo again.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Right premise, but still wrong.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
"What happens next time when people won't comment on blogs for fear of "  gabrielbear@... | 05/20/09
Perfectly done.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Not disagreeing  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
if nobody trusts the internet then why post?  gabrielbear@... | 05/20/09
Yes.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
First stormtroopers (sic), now the Gestapo  compudog | 05/21/09
That guy is just not...  n00b-herder | 05/21/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  dcfemella | 05/20/09
Relevent evidence ...  lalogos | 05/20/09
Where in the Constitution  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
hat is so "evil" about investigators wanting to interview the "bloggers"??  auogoke@... | 05/20/09
Nothing evil.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
I can't believe how wrong LALAGOS can be!!!  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
This is actually a good ruling.  Dr_Zinj | 05/20/09
No it's not  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
They are not prohibiting  rarsa | 05/20/09
Or FBI raid.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
They can try  Dr_Zinj | 05/21/09
A comment is not a confidential source  rarsa | 05/20/09
A comment is not a confidential source  UAC nanny screen | 05/20/09
You are not confidential  rarsa | 05/20/09
Your IP is still logged by Raptor.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
So what  UAC nanny screen | 05/21/09
Yes, but not necessarily  Zolar | 05/22/09
Lack of responsibilitiy law ...  lalogos | 05/20/09
It's a very fine line  masonwheeler | 05/20/09
What religion is Journalism again?  hiraghm@... | 05/20/09
You're good.  lalogos | 05/20/09
re: What religion is Journalism again?  M.R. Kennedy | 05/20/09
Journalism died in 1974  Too Old For IT | 05/20/09
what religion is journalism?  gabrielbear@... | 05/20/09
Idiots in various states with voting cards?  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Ummm....  rkoman@... | 05/20/09
... just to add to this!  mwagner@... | 05/22/09
Still wrong, Except now you are reversing your own statements.  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Ignorance of law is NOT bliss  blarman_z | 05/20/09
Thank you!  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Right to privacy is a myth  blarman_z | 05/20/09
Law is codified morality  blarman_z | 05/20/09
Absolutes, shades of meaning, and a correction  NeverLift | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  Omnius | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  mark16_15@... | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  kfortner51 | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  Rufus Dogg | 05/20/09
It is the responsibility of everyone to know and  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
But should it?  SimonGatt | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  munkyunkle@... | 05/20/09
There's a saying about this in science...  davetracer@... | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  gabrielbear@... | 05/20/09
The judge's ignorance  smithkl42 | 05/20/09
Journalists Comment on Blogs Also  ceh4702 | 05/21/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  bigpicture | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  twaynesdomain | 05/20/09
"Freedom of the press" is grossly misused  NeverLift | 05/20/09
Yes GOOD! Thank you!  n00b-herder | 05/20/09
Exactly  cheroke55 | 05/20/09
Any way to get paid anonymously for blog traffic?  garylt | 05/20/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  Warlock104 | 05/21/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  ceh4702 | 05/21/09
Awesome! Perfect point!  n00b-herder | 05/21/09
Just curios really...  auogoke@... | 05/22/09
Shield law doesn't protect online commenters, and should't protect bloggers  richdave | 05/21/09
Most "talkback" folks use made up names ...  mwagner@... | 05/22/09
Most "talkback" folks use made up names ...  UAC nanny screen | 05/22/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  buchajaa | 05/22/09
well, let's put it this way....  vilppuu@... | 05/22/09
RE: If the Shield law protects .....  Zolar | 05/22/09
What happened to free speach?  bobmatch@... | 05/23/09
RE: Something to consider about commenters online  Sinbad713 | 05/26/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  WCarlS | 06/01/09
RE: Judge: Shield law doesn't protect online commenters  WCarlS | 06/01/09

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