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October 8th, 2008

$236m judgment against spammer couple

Posted by Richard Koman @ October 8, 2008 @ 10:35 AM

Categories: Courts

Tags: Judgment, Spammer, CIS Internet Services, Spam, Cyberthreats, E-mail, Security, Spam And Phishing, Online Communications, Richard Koman

How much is spam worth? In the case of a couple who sent millions of spams to a small ISP, $236 million. That’s the judgment a federal judge in Iowa levied against the husband-and-wife spamming team of Henry Perez and Suzanne Bartok, IDG reports.
Over four months in 2003, the couple used a program appropriately called Bulk Mailing 4 Dummies (a name that not only nicely describes its user base but simultaneously violates IDG Books’ trademark on the “For Dummies” books) to send millions of emails to little CIS Internet Services of Clinton, Iowa. CIS underwent an expensive server upgrade and devoted three servers to blocking the scumbags’ spam assault.
CIS owner Robert Kramer III said the company was processing about 500 million spam messages every day in 2003.

“There were millions of e-mails being delivered to us for each spam campaign to users that didn’t exist on our servers,” Kramer said in an interview. “It was do or die: it wasn’t just a nuisance for us.”

Perez and Bartok claimed the emails they sent were legit. That argument was just a lie, the court said.

“The court simply does not believe Mr. Perez or Ms. Bartok,” Judge John Jarvey wrote in a Sept. 30 order.

CIS has sued and won judgments against 10 spammer so far, but good luck collecting on those, or from Perez and Bartok. Many spammers simply fold their companies or move the money overseas.

No word on this couple’s assets but one suspects it is less than $236 million. The size of the judgment – based on $10 per spam – may be more of a deterrent than one that compensates CIS for its losses.

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Let them pay it in jail time  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 10/08/08
Not a realistic solution.  WSHBaker@... | 10/08/08
We can afford to lock up potheads but not spammers?  bernalillo | 10/09/08
Jail is expensive to the taxpayer  Morti | 10/08/08
Jail less expensive than anarchy  turncoat | 10/08/08
If jail is too expensive...  Macs4EaseOfUse | 10/08/08
Basic misunderstanding of the death penalty  josephmartins | 10/08/08
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I've always said that  merc2dogs` | 10/08/08
As with Hound's response...  josephmartins | 10/08/08
Oh Please  houndgb | 10/08/08
We're not in disagreement  josephmartins | 10/08/08
I cant velieve people even use cost as rational for killing or not killing  bernalillo | 10/09/08
How about  Redcell | 10/08/08
and the feds could foot the bill  catsend | 10/09/08
jail  genknorr@... | 10/08/08
Jail is expensive to the taxpayer  hubcap1 | 10/08/08
Personally I like the stocks.  bernalillo | 10/09/08
Maybe on repeat offenders...  Cayble | 10/08/08
laws can allow for a range of punishment  bernalillo | 10/13/08
Not Possible  GeneBuettner | 10/08/08
Jail time is expensive, bullets are cheap ...  Timpraetor | 10/09/08
Sadly, it's pointless  Rick_R | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  WSHBaker@... | 10/08/08
they could become  Redcell | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  LMsale123@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236 and e-mail  Ohioblue8514@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  compusolver | 10/08/08
what happend to the e-mail amount ips used to put of a account  missplaced | 10/08/08
That's for OUTBOUND messages  GeneBuettner | 10/08/08
The Spamm had to be uploaded somewhere  missplaced | 10/08/08
Bot networks  bernalillo | 10/13/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  houndgb | 10/08/08
That's great  rkoman@... | 10/08/08
thats great !!! ?  missplaced | 10/09/08
Block port 25  Timpraetor | 10/09/08
Sadly, not so great.  bernalillo | 10/13/08
Penny For Your THoughts?  ewingdweller | 10/08/08
Sorry, my error  Roc Riz | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  loveofmusic | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  clareJ | 10/08/08
Unsolicited commercial emails should be legit, illegal ads shoudl be banned  amirams@... | 10/08/08
Email Less Intrusive? Say Whut?  turncoat | 10/08/08
Less Intrusive? No way.  albevier@... | 10/08/08
TV and radio, even print, are still more intrusive  amirams@... | 10/08/08
Newspaper ads are an implicit cost  stchrispy | 10/08/08
Why do you think you have the right to deprive me from receiving ads?  amirams@... | 10/08/08
Deprivation!!! Oh No!!!  Spudplucker | 10/08/08
amirams constant search for the bigger, better penis  deusXmchna | 10/09/08
6 billion people...  cgarrett | 10/08/08
is not unsolicited commercial called T V  missplaced | 10/08/08
Hole Spell!  darnton@... | 10/08/08
A guess  frabjous | 10/08/08
Unsolicited email of any kind is SPAM  DJnRF | 10/08/08
So you want your friends to verify themselves  rkoman@... | 10/08/08
So the world is binary to you???  The Smoking Man | 10/08/08
spammers  WATKINS12@... | 10/08/08
I would have thought........  DJnRF | 10/08/08
Bad spam cannot be stopped  amirams@... | 10/08/08
That's nonsence.  bernalillo | 10/09/08
email of any kind is SPAM  missplaced | 10/09/08
Legitimate?  drobinow | 10/09/08
legitimate commercial  missplaced | 10/09/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  dingers412@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  TSGlassey | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  croakbi@... | 10/08/08
Missing the point  croakbi@... | 10/08/08
ad=free sam=free  missplaced | 10/08/08
Very good point  DJnRF | 10/08/08
the internet...  Redcell | 10/08/08
It's commercial now. Live with it.  drobinow | 10/09/08
"Commecrce" does not mean free from regulation  bernalillo | 10/09/08
if you do not like a site E-MAIL the IPS  missplaced | 10/09/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  mrwelch98@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  frj111@... | 10/08/08
Judgment  clifflee | 10/08/08
the punishment most dastardly  opcom | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  kentreybig | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  adamaia | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  ljessup@... | 10/08/08
look for a local IPS that is spam filtering  missplaced | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  ois1@... | 10/08/08
not prison  missplaced | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  john.lellis@... | 10/08/08
Absurd laws (and the lack of it)  rhon@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  timbrady1124@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  NerdHerd007 | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  ceh4702 | 10/08/08
Bogus Addresses  cgarrett | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  missplaced | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  onclejon@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  Billsey | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  Flagg_z | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  flyingbuick | 10/08/08
a GOOD IPS should take care  missplaced | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  XLINS@... | 10/08/08
I thought that the headline in the email said  Mahegan | 10/08/08
$236m judgment isn't enough  twaynesdomain | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  soul2skin@... | 10/08/08
Move up the food chain  preacherx | 10/08/08
Move up the food chain  missplaced | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  Alro | 10/08/08
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RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  scottiedra | 10/08/08
We have no hope against spam, to little to late.  admin@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  Ohioblue8514@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  merlinof2 | 10/08/08
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RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  cbowers | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  1Serve | 10/08/08
While Spam is a major problem on the internet...  melekali | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  GHLatta5 | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  DRKing | 10/08/08
Contract Prisoners Out  dean52@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  jerry102 | 10/08/08
Death Sentence is too little  davetracer@... | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  mezaleski | 10/08/08
Follow the money  madmike13 | 10/08/08
demonizing spammers  sirbennet | 10/08/08
Show me the stone pile...  coboldinosaur | 10/08/08
Demonizing Spammers???  lmenningen | 10/09/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  deowll | 10/08/08
Community service for life? viable solution?  raider00321 | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  Marcopolish | 10/08/08
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RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  indevoter | 10/08/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  goose58431 | 10/08/08
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RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  glynn19 | 10/08/08
RE: Forget After-The-Fact Judgments  lmenningen | 10/09/08
So holding up quicky marts should be legal  bernalillo | 10/09/08
on the pain thing  missplaced | 10/09/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  catmedia | 10/09/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  mrblu45@... | 10/09/08
great idea,  vilppuu@... | 10/09/08
One Problem  hforman@... | 10/11/08
RE: $236m judgment against spammer couple  Mihail.a.dimitrov@... | 10/09/08
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