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September 23rd, 2008

Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?

Posted by Richard Koman @ September 23, 2008 @ 6:03 AM

Categories: Comcast, Net neutrality

Tags: Network, Comcast Corp., Network Neutrality Advocate, Networking, Richard Koman

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Network neutrality advocates are taking contrasting views towards Comcast’s new network management plan. The new plan de-prioritizes heavy users in 15-minute chunks. If your upload traffic is more than 70% of maximum bandwidth or your download traffic is more than 80% of max, you’ll be de-prioritized.

Free Press/Public Knowledge looks askance at the plan. Robb Topolski, technology analyst for the groups, said:

“Comcast’s new plan essentially gives consumers the right to 15 minutes worth of their Comcast subscription, after which they are entitled to no bandwidth but are allowed to forage for leftovers,” Topolski said. “This is not what users expect from their Internet subscriptions, it’s not what designers expect when developing products for the Internet, and it has not yet been approved by the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) for use on real users.” (MediaPost)

But EFF’s Peter Eckersley finds the long-range plan a “reasonable attempt at sharing limited bandwidth amongst groups of users.”

Unlike TCP RST spoofing, it doesn’t explicitly discriminate against some applications, and it doesn’t threaten protocol developers with interoperability problems and uncertainty about network behavior.

If you’re seeding large files over BitTorrent or a P2P network, there’s a “fair chance” you’ll be deprioritized, Eckersley said. And low priority may mean really low.

The low priority systems get to send when and only when there is a gap in the high priority traffic. Only real-world experimentation will give us qualitative measures of the impact of de-prioritization. It’s likely that large background data transfers (like the ones that trigger de-prioritization in the first place) will continue to work, but a little more slowly than previously.

The impact of low priority on other kinds of applications — especially interactive apps like network games, VOIP, ssh sessions, etc, is likely to be more severe. If you happen to be using these kinds of latency-sensitive programs at the same time as 70% or more of your upload capacity, you can expect to suffer a bit!

I agree that Comcast is doing it as well as they can this time around. And it would be fine if Comcast existed in a competitive environment. In an ideal world there would competition among providers, which would result in higher capacity and lower prices not lower capacity and higher prices. But since our government has given companies like Comcast monopolies or at best duopolies in most places, few consumers will be voting with their feet.

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there has been public internet access (dial-up ISPs in the
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UPGRADE YOUR NETWORK!  BitTwiddler | 09/23/08
We do so regularly  jlivingood | 09/23/08
More Comcastic smoke and mirrors...  JT82 | 09/23/08
I disagree  Taz_z | 09/23/08
Very true  JT82 | 09/23/08
There you go  Taz_z | 09/23/08
Not exactly  JT82 | 09/23/08
Bleeding customers to relieve their issues  thefishdoc@... | 10/21/08
If its so good then why do brighthouse techs laugh so much?  Been_Done_Before | 09/23/08
Don't over sell.  GeminiWizard | 10/03/08
Oversubscription is normal  gigabot71 | 10/23/08
AMEN  annieshouseofcats@... | 09/30/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  JT82 | 09/23/08
I have to agree...  loki71 | 10/15/08
Robb's claims not correct  jlivingood | 09/23/08
IF comcast's network is QoS'd...  JT82 | 09/23/08
You misunderstand  jlivingood | 09/23/08
Hrm..then Comcast is ignoring the FCC  JT82 | 09/23/08
TCP resets are an excellent and elegant solution...  BrettGlass | 09/23/08
If used appropriately..  JT82 | 09/23/08
No, you misunderstand  jlivingood | 09/23/08
Robb Topolski is a demagogue  BrettGlass | 09/23/08
Robb Topolski here  robb@... | 09/23/08
Sorry, But Still Incorrect...  jlivingood | 09/23/08
Beside the name, what's the difference?  robb@... | 09/23/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  BrettGlass | 09/23/08
I call BS!  SilverFoxLa | 09/23/08
What about other companies that use...  loki71 | 10/15/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  SilverFoxLa | 09/23/08
I agree 100%  Been_Done_Before | 09/23/08
If impeding video were the motive, non-cable ISPs wouldn't limit  BrettGlass | 09/23/08
BS AGAIN!  SilverFoxLa | 09/23/08
you hit the nail on the head  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
Post Informed Opinions -- READ THE FCC PAPERS  GLWCanadagirl | 09/23/08
BS strikes AGAIN!  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
Streaming versus Downloading Video -- Know the Difference?  GLWCanadagirl | 09/23/08
911  adante256 | 09/23/08
I say let them roll..  JT82 | 09/23/08
just another way to make you use digital voice  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
That's one reason why Comcast;'s original scheme was better.  BrettGlass | 09/23/08
When I look at my cable service...  snaconst | 09/23/08
Then you are in violation of the AUP/TOS  JT82 | 09/23/08
Nitpicking at nothing.  snaconst | 09/23/08
Perhaps I was nit picking..  JT82 | 09/24/08
You're obviously not informed  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
Actually, you are not informed  JT82 | 09/24/08
you thought wrong  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
Don't believe the hype...  jtheisen@... | 09/23/08
And then one day we had choice  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
Whoops!  bandwidthfool | 09/23/08
comcast  hgkll@... | 09/23/08
This reminds me of the Airlines  Freeloading | 09/24/08
False advertising  karenmattox@... | 09/29/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  tgardley | 09/30/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  marccnm@... | 10/02/08
RE: "Up to 8mbs"  KopaKrptik | 10/08/08
RE: Is Comcast plan suspect or 'reasonable'?  kndrkim@... | 10/21/08

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