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September 16th, 2008

Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash

Posted by Richard Koman @ September 16, 2008 @ 8:23 AM

Categories: Emergency, Regulations, State & Local Govt

Tags: California Public Utilities Commission, PTC, LA Times, Monitors & Displays, Government, GPS, Federal Government, Hardware, Components, Consumer Electronics

Positive train control” technology - already in use in some parts of the country — could have avoided last week’s fatal train crash in southern California, the Federal Railroad Administration pronounced yesterday. PTC includes GPS and digital communications to enforce speeds and monitor movements.

Twenty-five people were killed and 138 injured.

The time is now, FRA Administrator Joseph Boardman said in a press conference, for national implementation of the technology. It is currently in place on Amtrak trains in parts of Maryland and between New Haven and Boston.

“We could do this as quickly as five years, maybe even quicker than that if everything comes together right … What’s frustrating is that this isn’t something you can just pronounce and move forward.

It’s not really a simple goal here. … This has been a long and tortuous road for [the railroads], along with us and the NTSB — those of us who want to have this happen faster. [ABC]

To make this happen, though, Congress is going to have to step in with substantial funds. Tough at a time when the government is running record deficits and bailing out financial institutions.

In an editorial today, the LA Times called for federal funding.

Considering that the federal government has an interest in rail safety, increased use of public transportation and the installation of a uniform interstate system, it should provide matching funds. Commuter rail systems should share the costs as well.

LA’s Metrolink railroad has one of the worst commuter-rail fatality records in the U.S. In 2005, a Metrolink crash killed 11 people.

And as it appears the train engineer was texting on his cellphone at the time of the crash, the California Public Utilities Commission will vote this week on regulations making it illegal for engineers to use phones while operating a train.

“Some railroad operators may have policies prohibiting the personal use of such devices, but they’re widely ignored,” Michael Peevey, president of the California Public Utilities Commission, said Monday. “Our order would make it the law and we’ll go after violators. We owe it to the public.” [AP]

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RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash
Oh dear. does this imply that the US is behind the UK when it comes to Rail Safety? If so, best I start dusting off my CV (Testing and Commissioning). It seems from what I've read that a lot of "bas... (Read the rest)
Posted by: soapietrekkers@... Posted on: 09/27/08 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
Why is everyone so hell bent on blaming the cell phone?  JT82 | 09/16/08
The same way that  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 09/16/08
not really  RobinInTheHood | 09/18/08
NOBODY was blaming it on the phone. They were ONLY blaming it on the fact  DonnieBoy | 09/16/08
Then why the screaming.....  JT82 | 09/16/08
Simple answer  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 09/16/08
Simpler answer  cburkitt2 | 09/17/08
Trains have "dead-man's handles" don't they?  Mahegan | 09/17/08
Who is screaming about phones?  seanferd | 09/16/08
Read My Lips  vmanes | 09/17/08
Who blamed it on the phone?  seanferd | 09/16/08
They also will go after RR  rkoman@... | 09/16/08
I agree - it could just as well have been a comic book  jlafitte | 09/18/08
Sad way to validate than utilizing a phone  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 09/16/08
There is a larger problem though. Given that we KNOW that people will do  DonnieBoy | 09/16/08
There has been a mechanical way of doing available  Mahegan | 09/17/08
Have a read  Mahegan | 09/17/08
Works if you have all-electric trains...  jlafitte | 09/18/08
ain't exactly so  drufus | 09/18/08
Re: ain't exactly so  Me_too | 09/23/08
They're not "blaming" the object...  AlphaSet | 09/16/08
I'll buy that...  JT82 | 09/16/08
You are taking it to a context that is inappropriate...  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 09/16/08
NOBODY is asking or a general ban, ONLY a ban while operating a train with  DonnieBoy | 09/16/08
In this situation, we're only saying  rkoman@... | 09/16/08
So how are you any different than a train operator?  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 09/17/08
vocab...  cburkitt2 | 09/17/08
Flaunt vs Flout  lincoln@... | 09/17/08
How is he different? He's a lawyer.  bmerc | 09/18/08
Re: You will just potentially kill fewer people.  Me_too | 09/23/08
Wanna check that...?  Wolfie2K3 | 09/17/08
Er, no... you FLOUT the law  jlafitte | 09/18/08
Who said that?  seanferd | 09/16/08
Way off?  rkoman@... | 09/16/08
Well, see, if you follow the dotted line...  bmerc | 09/18/08
And personal responsibility.  jlafitte | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  fromag82 | 09/16/08
Because they won't  rkoman@... | 09/16/08
They don't even really need it  seanferd | 09/16/08
Have a read...  Mahegan | 09/17/08
You mean if you and I pay for it.  fromag82 | 09/17/08
Sorry, but Airline rules should be applied here.  Update victim | 09/17/08
Airline rules are being changed, too  jlafitte | 09/18/08
the future is now  drufus | 09/18/08
Or if it's an alternative to losing their shirts in court  jlafitte | 09/18/08
Ignorance and the profit motive  Mahegan | 09/17/08
The question is - why are you so arrogant about  jlafitte | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  dorkiedorkfromdorktown | 09/17/08
Federal Transportation Subsidies  Dr_Zinj | 09/17/08
Several problems with this philosophy  dlink | 09/17/08
RE: They don't even really need it  barrylb | 09/17/08
Railroad negligent?  djchandler | 09/17/08
Highly unlikely....  dlink | 09/17/08
UP played by the rules  drufus | 09/18/08
ATS has existed since the 1920s  Oreamnos_americanus | 09/17/08
Right On  Mahegan | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  jcitron@... | 09/17/08
But who should pay for it?  dlink | 09/17/08
We're already paying for it and everything else.  jcitron@... | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  ursha25@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  nick@... | 09/17/08
Eliminate employees?  william.brophy@... | 09/17/08
The railroads aren't resisting the technology...  dlink | 09/17/08
let the railroads do the math...  jlafitte | 09/18/08
..and they do just that...  dlink | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  jdcaustx@... | 09/17/08
But who should pay for it?  dlink | 09/17/08
Train crash and positive technology  Mahegan | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  kkrys | 09/17/08
That is exactly what happened...  dlink | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  kg6ygs@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  shanedr | 09/17/08
Safety requires that  Mahegan | 09/17/08
Technology is not the Answer  tomam | 09/17/08
It is about ideology and culture as these posts show  Mahegan | 09/17/08
You're the one supplying the ideological trash, Mahegan  jlafitte | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  Joseph.Thomas@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  denkidr | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  radolan@... | 09/17/08
Good point!  piddlypoo | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  patnjoeh@... | 09/17/08
Distractions  Dr. John | 09/17/08
Magnetic device  Mahegan | 09/17/08
Technology might have averted the train crash  dshehorn44@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  jnocook | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  jeffparm01 | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  welshans2@... | 09/17/08
PTC is STILL cheaper than big court judgments....  jlafitte | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  welshans2@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  john_gillespie@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  General Ludd | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  General Ludd | 09/17/08
Fact: Swiss Railways use P.T.C. for past 50++ Years  afgcons@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  ManoaHI | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  fredmore@... | 09/17/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  bwh48@... | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  jlafitte | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  as901 | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  Michael Fournier | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  Lt. Dan | 09/18/08
Two in the cab  Lt. Dan | 09/18/08
Tough!  ksarkies@... | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  bluelen69@... | 09/18/08
It's Not Rocket Science.. It's a Railroad  linux-user | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  pquinn34@... | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  theCableDoctor@... | 09/18/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  synchron@... | 09/21/08
RE: Technology could have averted fatal LA train crash  soapietrekkers@... | 09/27/08

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